logiclife
09-19 04:52 PM
To everyone who thinks rallies dont make a difference, as illustrated here by a skeptic : http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13583
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser DREAM Act because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser DREAM Act because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
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santb1975
04-29 12:39 AM
We have a long way to go
Sachin_Stock
06-12 07:51 PM
I am an EB-3 I and I do agree with lots of Eb-2 folks over here. Eb-3 folks can contemplate of moving on and apply fresh labor/140 and port to Eb2.
Nobody can stop you from getting your stuff straightened up.
Nobody can stop you from getting your stuff straightened up.
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vdlrao
07-14 12:04 PM
Please find out the visa numbers allotment for EB1, EB2 and EB3 till now. Till now there is about 100k visa numbers allotment for EB3 every year due to the vertical fallout. From now on there would be around 100K allotment in EB2 due to the change to Horizontal Fall out of visa numbers. Out of these 100k EB2 visa numbers, India will get greatest share of around 50k + visas. Please see the below.
Type and class of admission 1998-- 1999-- 2000-- 2001-- 2002-- 2003-- 2004-- 2005-- 2006-- 2007
Employment-based preferences 77,413-- 56,678-- 106,642--178,702--173,814--81,727--155,330--246,877--159,081--162,176
First: Priority workers 21,375-- 14,844-- 27,566-- 41,672-- 34,168-- 14,453-- 31,291-- 64,731-- 36,960-- 26,697
Second: advanced degrees or exceptional ability 14,362--8,557-- 20,255-- 42,550-- 44,316-- 15,406-- 32,534 --42,597-- 21,911-- 44,162
Third: Skilled workers 34,282 --27,920--49,589--85,847-- 88,002-- 46,415-- 85,969-- 129,070--89,922-- 85,030
Fourth: Special immigrants 6,570-- 5,072-- 9,014-- 8,442-- 7,186-- 5,389-- 5,407-- 10,133-- 9,539-- 5,481
Fifth: (investors) 824-- 285-- 218-- 191-- 142-- 64-- 129-- 346-- 749-- 806
See the link below for reference:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2007/table06d.xls
Type and class of admission 1998-- 1999-- 2000-- 2001-- 2002-- 2003-- 2004-- 2005-- 2006-- 2007
Employment-based preferences 77,413-- 56,678-- 106,642--178,702--173,814--81,727--155,330--246,877--159,081--162,176
First: Priority workers 21,375-- 14,844-- 27,566-- 41,672-- 34,168-- 14,453-- 31,291-- 64,731-- 36,960-- 26,697
Second: advanced degrees or exceptional ability 14,362--8,557-- 20,255-- 42,550-- 44,316-- 15,406-- 32,534 --42,597-- 21,911-- 44,162
Third: Skilled workers 34,282 --27,920--49,589--85,847-- 88,002-- 46,415-- 85,969-- 129,070--89,922-- 85,030
Fourth: Special immigrants 6,570-- 5,072-- 9,014-- 8,442-- 7,186-- 5,389-- 5,407-- 10,133-- 9,539-- 5,481
Fifth: (investors) 824-- 285-- 218-- 191-- 142-- 64-- 129-- 346-- 749-- 806
See the link below for reference:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2007/table06d.xls
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wkhalifa
06-17 09:54 PM
can any one help me i left my company and i joined another company (h1b transfer rec date was 3/13/07 and still pending is this normal ? if my previous company revoke my visa after the new copmany filed for the transfer will this be a reason for ins to deny my h1b transfer? please help
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mshelat
05-03 11:28 AM
This is really an intersting and very important information for people on H1B wih H4 dependents. Is there any one who has inquired about this with SSA? I am planning to do it next week and shall inform the forum.
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santb1975
04-28 11:33 PM
We are at 6186 now
Total amount: $100.00 USD
Thanks
Total amount: $100.00 USD
Thanks
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rsrikant
07-20 10:37 AM
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please put me in loop also..
my id is r s r i k a n t @ g m a i l . c o m
i will appreciate if you let me know how you plan to file for 485 with out receipt no...
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dionysus
06-09 01:41 AM
Even if you don't want to take shit, it is given to you.
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garybanz
09-20 02:12 PM
Good Idea, Jayram.
Having even a couple of fill time staffers will make a big difference...but will also require bigger budget.
Does any one know how much IV collets in recurring contributions? How much did we collect for the DC rally and how much did we spend?
San Jose was a local CA event planned almost spontaneously. DC was an event planned months in advance. People were offered Free ride, Free plane fare, Free food (in Gurdwaras). Yet how many participated?
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
How about taking this to the next step and hire paid fulltime staff who can
1) call people and request donations
2) organize meetings
3) stimulate the local chapters
4) promote IV
..... and the list can go on.....and do all the things necessary to convert all propects to customers.
How about having full time offices in DC? This office will run on donations.
Finally, how about instead of anonymous members make this a place where everyone has to provide their personal details etc.
Anyways, I am just ranting.
Having even a couple of fill time staffers will make a big difference...but will also require bigger budget.
Does any one know how much IV collets in recurring contributions? How much did we collect for the DC rally and how much did we spend?
San Jose was a local CA event planned almost spontaneously. DC was an event planned months in advance. People were offered Free ride, Free plane fare, Free food (in Gurdwaras). Yet how many participated?
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
How about taking this to the next step and hire paid fulltime staff who can
1) call people and request donations
2) organize meetings
3) stimulate the local chapters
4) promote IV
..... and the list can go on.....and do all the things necessary to convert all propects to customers.
How about having full time offices in DC? This office will run on donations.
Finally, how about instead of anonymous members make this a place where everyone has to provide their personal details etc.
Anyways, I am just ranting.
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m306m
04-29 10:42 AM
IV Seniors,
What is the count so far? Are we at 10K yet?
What is the count so far? Are we at 10K yet?
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sledge_hammer
07-05 09:14 AM
Anyone here whose application reached USCIS on July 3rd?
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kshitijnt
05-30 02:33 PM
Say NO to racism. Say NO to BA, AF. Say no to AUSTRALIA!
Until these people accept racism in those incidences, say NO to them.
It is not about isolated incidents. Its about standing upto these wackos for our countrymen.
Until these people accept racism in those incidences, say NO to them.
It is not about isolated incidents. Its about standing upto these wackos for our countrymen.
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gaz
04-10 03:25 PM
gaz, I have contributed before, but I am still unable to access some posts. Could that be a problem with the website or am I not understanding you right :confused:? Thanks.
the current subscription model is setup only for members currently contributing. So if you sent a contribution since the FOIA drive - you should have access - contact admin if you don't.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=333698#post333698
Otherwise read this
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24315&highlight=donor
What I'm talking about is that I like the idea of members who have contributed earlier to have their contributions applied retroactively towards membership (eg. if someone contributed $123 - they get 4 months of membership - i.e. multiples of $25 per month)
Its only a thought - upto the core and a quorum to decide and act on this.
the current subscription model is setup only for members currently contributing. So if you sent a contribution since the FOIA drive - you should have access - contact admin if you don't.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=333698#post333698
Otherwise read this
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24315&highlight=donor
What I'm talking about is that I like the idea of members who have contributed earlier to have their contributions applied retroactively towards membership (eg. if someone contributed $123 - they get 4 months of membership - i.e. multiples of $25 per month)
Its only a thought - upto the core and a quorum to decide and act on this.
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Tito_ortiz
12-04 04:47 PM
Well, one could argue that North Americans have access to the TN visa, which is kind of easier to apply. Similarly, the E visa for Australians as far as I know doesn't allow a dual intent;therefore the H visa still has an advantage over the Australian one.
Am I right ?
Why doesnt US govt allow H4 Visa holders to work like Australian Govt does??????
Rather than crying for shortage of Manpower they should utilize the talent already present in the country. Has someone every raised this issue with the senate? I dont think so....and I think there is no forum also to take it up.
This is a pure case of discrimination.
Please think and contrubute.
Regards,
:)
Am I right ?
Why doesnt US govt allow H4 Visa holders to work like Australian Govt does??????
Rather than crying for shortage of Manpower they should utilize the talent already present in the country. Has someone every raised this issue with the senate? I dont think so....and I think there is no forum also to take it up.
This is a pure case of discrimination.
Please think and contrubute.
Regards,
:)
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maverick6993
07-03 10:15 AM
Does the SKIL bill only needs to pass in the House? Since it is already in the CIR , does it mean it has already passed in the senate? How is it going to work?
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andy garcia
11-28 09:33 AM
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I bet they have only issued around 120,000 EB visas in the year 2006 (Oct 2005 - Sept 2006), even though the quota is around 250,000. (140,000 direct + 100,000 from family other category).
TheLPR flow for EB was 159,081 in 2006.
Employment Preference Limit
The annual limit is equal to 140,000 plus unused FS preferences in the previous FY. There were 3,949 unused FS preferences in 2005. The 2006 EB limit was 143,949 (140,000 plus 3,949). The REAL ID Act of 2005 recaptured 50,000 unused EB visas, 5,125 of which were used in 2005. In 2006, 33,341 of these visas were used, exceeding the 2006 limit.
I bet they have only issued around 120,000 EB visas in the year 2006 (Oct 2005 - Sept 2006), even though the quota is around 250,000. (140,000 direct + 100,000 from family other category).
TheLPR flow for EB was 159,081 in 2006.
Employment Preference Limit
The annual limit is equal to 140,000 plus unused FS preferences in the previous FY. There were 3,949 unused FS preferences in 2005. The 2006 EB limit was 143,949 (140,000 plus 3,949). The REAL ID Act of 2005 recaptured 50,000 unused EB visas, 5,125 of which were used in 2005. In 2006, 33,341 of these visas were used, exceeding the 2006 limit.
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h4hopeful
04-06 04:37 PM
I found a link in this website to the Talent Bill http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=349 (I am new, sorry I didn't paste it before). This is the bill which will let us work, is anyone lobbying for it to be considered?
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stemcell
01-12 12:52 PM
Carl Shusterman is very well known in immigration circles. If he is willing to take this up another $ 1K from me.
nitinba
06-26 03:01 AM
I got approval email too. It cant be sheer luck that so many people are getting the approvals when it was taking 3 months as per their published processing times. Looks to me they just want to give 1 yr EAD to as many as possible. Good way to make money in recession year.
seenu302
06-08 01:45 PM
IV core team,
Whats the plan of action given that CIR is dead for now?The best would be to try to attach a small relief like S.1932 in 2005 to some budget appropriations bill.Even SKIL will gather lot of unnecessary attention.Did we spend all our funding on this lost cause and need to contribute again?If so its better to start now as IV got lot of new users.
As I said my numbers are not accurate, there are lot of visas unused since retrogression, we need to take look at this and spent more time researching and contacting right organization
Whats the plan of action given that CIR is dead for now?The best would be to try to attach a small relief like S.1932 in 2005 to some budget appropriations bill.Even SKIL will gather lot of unnecessary attention.Did we spend all our funding on this lost cause and need to contribute again?If so its better to start now as IV got lot of new users.
As I said my numbers are not accurate, there are lot of visas unused since retrogression, we need to take look at this and spent more time researching and contacting right organization
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