sundevil
05-31 04:25 PM
Yes, a majority Vote.
"The motion to Lay on the Table is undebatable, and requires only a majority vote, notwithstanding the fact that if not taken from the table the question is suppressed."
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
"The motion to Lay on the Table is undebatable, and requires only a majority vote, notwithstanding the fact that if not taken from the table the question is suppressed."
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
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starscream
05-31 03:56 PM
Here is the link to page 6918 of the congressional record for what happened on May 24. Look at SA 1249 and it shows that the amendment has been "ordered to lie on the table". Also page 6918 and 6919 has the details of the amendment.
The link to page 6918 and 6919 are -
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2007_record&page=S6918&position=all
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2007_record&page=S6919&position=all
Ok - checked up the Congressional reciord the S. AMDT 1249 has status " lie on table" that means it has been killed. I guess that is bad news. But then again why does AILA say
One amendment that has been “filed,” but is not currently “pending” is the Cantwell amendment which is very important to business immigration interests. We do not know at this time what will happen with this amendment – whether it will come to the floor for debate or be negotiated through unanimous consent into the final package.
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
The link to page 6918 and 6919 are -
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2007_record&page=S6918&position=all
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2007_record&page=S6919&position=all
Ok - checked up the Congressional reciord the S. AMDT 1249 has status " lie on table" that means it has been killed. I guess that is bad news. But then again why does AILA say
One amendment that has been “filed,” but is not currently “pending” is the Cantwell amendment which is very important to business immigration interests. We do not know at this time what will happen with this amendment – whether it will come to the floor for debate or be negotiated through unanimous consent into the final package.
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
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pmmo
10-19 12:36 PM
Sorry that I could not reply sooner. In this case, I went ahead and did an Info Pass appointment. The officer there went ahead and gave a 1-year temporary stamp and said he was ordering card production. This was in July and I am still waiting. My lawyer said "congrats"! No idea how to handle this going forward. What happened to your case?
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Legal
07-15 06:17 PM
I see ur predictions coming true, but with a big BUT, the flow "EB1 ROW/EB1 INDIA --> EB2 ROW/ EB2India/ EB2China-->EB3ROW/EB3 INDIA." may be a make-shift approach just to use up leftover visas for this year. This is not a published rule anywhere. So how can u be so certain based on Ron Gotcher or how can he be so certain that this gonna be the approach going forward.
The DOS after consulting with attorneys and the Congress has concluded that EB visa numbers should spill over horizontally rather than vertically. Relevent legal clauses addressing this issue were posted by IV members yesterday. DOS now admits it's previous interpretation of vertical spill over (excess visas going to EB-3 ROW) was wrong. Can it be challenged or reversed?, Of course possible but very unlikely to happen in the near future in the next several months.
All said and done, I'll say vdlrao calculations with (sumagiri correction:) look credible.
The DOS after consulting with attorneys and the Congress has concluded that EB visa numbers should spill over horizontally rather than vertically. Relevent legal clauses addressing this issue were posted by IV members yesterday. DOS now admits it's previous interpretation of vertical spill over (excess visas going to EB-3 ROW) was wrong. Can it be challenged or reversed?, Of course possible but very unlikely to happen in the near future in the next several months.
All said and done, I'll say vdlrao calculations with (sumagiri correction:) look credible.
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arkanand
09-13 03:42 PM
I am amazed in the solidarity just by seeing the responses. But if i think deeper, this rally is not for some national cause or for some greater benefit.
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
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Ramba
03-20 08:23 PM
LAR (Last action Rule) will not applicable in this case. It is applicaple only in change of status ( like H1B to H4 or L1B to H1B). Not in H1B to H1B. If you continously maintained H1B status, you are OK, as long as the H1B approval is valid employer2. Employer 1 or Employer 100 can file H1B, even without your knowledge. Therfore, you dont worry. As you were authorized for employer 2 for that period and you worked for them in that period, you are OK. Exlain them in detail with the evidence of H1B approval for employer 2 and pay stubs. Any way, consult an attorney.
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thepaew
06-01 11:17 AM
228 people are possibly dead. Save your glee for another day.
Isnt this Ironic that Air France Flight went missing on coast of Brazil.
I think someone up in the sky has whipped at Air France.
Isnt this Ironic that Air France Flight went missing on coast of Brazil.
I think someone up in the sky has whipped at Air France.
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bhobama
05-31 02:07 PM
Could not agree more. We are masters of everything related to caste, quotas and discrimination and we need to fix our own house before complaining about other countries, airlines etc.
Well one can avoid Air France if it 'makes you feel better'
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
Well one can avoid Air France if it 'makes you feel better'
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
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indio0617
10-20 12:22 PM
I do not see any issue here at all. Most of the housewives (including mine) and sons/daughter take EAD/AP and do not work. EAD is just an authorization, not a compulsion to work. Being legal here stems from the fact that her petition to adjust status (I485) is pending for decision from USCIS.
BMS1:
Thank you. Yes, that's my opinion as well. A pending 485 status is valid immigration status by itself.
BMS1:
Thank you. Yes, that's my opinion as well. A pending 485 status is valid immigration status by itself.
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sc3
07-18 02:41 PM
sc3, First of all let me express understanding of your agony and disappointment. If I were in your situation, probably I'll be talking like you.:)
You recite several unfair things. Who said there aren't any unfair things around? IV has feeble power when comapred to the massive muscle and money power of various lobbies who are stacked against us. In this context saying things that could undermine the unity of IV members can only further undermine any future efforts. Are you saying IV should "rat out" these people who have fake jobs and work for body shops?
A very dissproportionaely large number of EB3ROW and EB3I were adjudicated last June 2007, one ecould say at the expense of EB2-I. It is not unreasonable for EB2-I members to feel this way.
The question should be what to do now? There is no other way than lobbying for recapture bill.
Legal,
I guess I got carried away with so many people saying that Eb3 are pained only because EB2 is getting ahead -- which is blatantly untrue. Most of us are pained because of the long wait, and the prospect of more long wait to come. Eb2s getting or not getting their GCs doesn't necessarily register on our emotional scale, when we are looking at our own situation.
Further what really gets to me (putting it in a civil way), is that some people make use of obviously illegal things and then lecture us that we should be "happy for them" and "we should support them" (maybe they are not the same people, but some part of the problem can be attributed to this situation).
Well if the jobs are fake, then IV need not rat them out, but with people saying the law is implemented right, maybe we should help in implementing it in a more "righter" fashion. Why not? I was just trying to point out that people who are poo-pooing us need to look at their own legal standpoint (that is not to say that I consider any of the poster who is going vitriolic against us to have used that method).
A very dissproportionaely large number of EB3ROW and EB3I were adjudicated last June 2007, one ecould say at the expense of EB2-I. It is not unreasonable for EB2-I members to feel this way.
Sorry, you probably did not put it that way, but it comes out as, we suffered yesterday, so you guys should suffer today. If that is the case, then solving the immigration issue should be the last on our minds, since we have suffered this long, maybe all the future applicants should suffer just as much.
But I am sure you did not mean it that way.
You recite several unfair things. Who said there aren't any unfair things around? IV has feeble power when comapred to the massive muscle and money power of various lobbies who are stacked against us. In this context saying things that could undermine the unity of IV members can only further undermine any future efforts. Are you saying IV should "rat out" these people who have fake jobs and work for body shops?
A very dissproportionaely large number of EB3ROW and EB3I were adjudicated last June 2007, one ecould say at the expense of EB2-I. It is not unreasonable for EB2-I members to feel this way.
The question should be what to do now? There is no other way than lobbying for recapture bill.
Legal,
I guess I got carried away with so many people saying that Eb3 are pained only because EB2 is getting ahead -- which is blatantly untrue. Most of us are pained because of the long wait, and the prospect of more long wait to come. Eb2s getting or not getting their GCs doesn't necessarily register on our emotional scale, when we are looking at our own situation.
Further what really gets to me (putting it in a civil way), is that some people make use of obviously illegal things and then lecture us that we should be "happy for them" and "we should support them" (maybe they are not the same people, but some part of the problem can be attributed to this situation).
Well if the jobs are fake, then IV need not rat them out, but with people saying the law is implemented right, maybe we should help in implementing it in a more "righter" fashion. Why not? I was just trying to point out that people who are poo-pooing us need to look at their own legal standpoint (that is not to say that I consider any of the poster who is going vitriolic against us to have used that method).
A very dissproportionaely large number of EB3ROW and EB3I were adjudicated last June 2007, one ecould say at the expense of EB2-I. It is not unreasonable for EB2-I members to feel this way.
Sorry, you probably did not put it that way, but it comes out as, we suffered yesterday, so you guys should suffer today. If that is the case, then solving the immigration issue should be the last on our minds, since we have suffered this long, maybe all the future applicants should suffer just as much.
But I am sure you did not mean it that way.
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Marphad
01-13 10:07 AM
...I will donate minimum $100 for the cause.
You can't donate for a particular cause on IV. You donate and core team decides depends on priority what to do with that money.
You can't donate for a particular cause on IV. You donate and core team decides depends on priority what to do with that money.
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mbartosik
09-25 11:23 AM
I have used Fragomen in two different situations...
1) Contracted by my employer. This was frustrating from my perspective. I felt a little like an object, mostly dealt with paralegals.
2) Contracted by me. This was much better, I could call the attorneys up anytime, and get an answer when I needed it. Had excellent relationship with paralegals.
These were two different departments.
I do think that I suffered from some less than optimal advice, filed EB3 when EB2 would have been better. That was in 2002 when EB3 EB2 EB1 for all was current. EB2 was a tougher sell to Dept Labor, but I think would have worked, attorney didn't want to risk, and wasn't sure if a downgrade would be offered if EB2 failed.
One thing was consistent.... expensive.
I all but begged them to send out an email to clients referencing DC rally.
I have raised the idea with core of adding a field(s) to profile giving attorneys name/address. If we have a lot of members with Fragomen, maybe we could write a group letter asking them to send out a mass email to other clients.
So please be civil in these public forums.
1) Contracted by my employer. This was frustrating from my perspective. I felt a little like an object, mostly dealt with paralegals.
2) Contracted by me. This was much better, I could call the attorneys up anytime, and get an answer when I needed it. Had excellent relationship with paralegals.
These were two different departments.
I do think that I suffered from some less than optimal advice, filed EB3 when EB2 would have been better. That was in 2002 when EB3 EB2 EB1 for all was current. EB2 was a tougher sell to Dept Labor, but I think would have worked, attorney didn't want to risk, and wasn't sure if a downgrade would be offered if EB2 failed.
One thing was consistent.... expensive.
I all but begged them to send out an email to clients referencing DC rally.
I have raised the idea with core of adding a field(s) to profile giving attorneys name/address. If we have a lot of members with Fragomen, maybe we could write a group letter asking them to send out a mass email to other clients.
So please be civil in these public forums.
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arunmohan
02-14 01:09 AM
IV:
This would be a ray of light for us. Please make a strategy or plan for how to move in this direction.
This would be a ray of light for us. Please make a strategy or plan for how to move in this direction.
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ghost
07-07 05:25 PM
[QUOTE=dixie]So what they say sounds valid in theory, but impossible in practise.
If USCIS takes 5 years to process an EB visa,how is anyone going to wait that long to hire a foreign worker ? And what is going to happen to a foreign student when he graduates ? go back home and return after 5 years ? Even allowing for significant reform, and assuming their "instant GC" proposal is really instant, I dont see a GC ever being processed in under 2 years anytime in the near future. QUOTE]
I agree with you, my first reaction too was that this is practically impossible. Bill Gates was suggesting the proposal of "Instant GC" for anyone who completes their Master's degree in US. So may be some day this will become a reality.
I dont know how they are going to deal with immediate family members in that scenario. This does not sound like a bad idea but not everyone is lucky enough to afford doing their Master's in US. A number of them come on H-1B visas. Bill Gates was not against H-1B program.
I think there is a general consensus that H-1B program is being abused by employers. IEEE is suggesting to wrap it up while others are suggesting to keep the program but fix it, by providing the flexibility based on the current market needs and enforcing tough monitoring on the employers.
I must agree that the document is a perfect representation of how the H-1B program is being abused, which is unfortunate!
If USCIS takes 5 years to process an EB visa,how is anyone going to wait that long to hire a foreign worker ? And what is going to happen to a foreign student when he graduates ? go back home and return after 5 years ? Even allowing for significant reform, and assuming their "instant GC" proposal is really instant, I dont see a GC ever being processed in under 2 years anytime in the near future. QUOTE]
I agree with you, my first reaction too was that this is practically impossible. Bill Gates was suggesting the proposal of "Instant GC" for anyone who completes their Master's degree in US. So may be some day this will become a reality.
I dont know how they are going to deal with immediate family members in that scenario. This does not sound like a bad idea but not everyone is lucky enough to afford doing their Master's in US. A number of them come on H-1B visas. Bill Gates was not against H-1B program.
I think there is a general consensus that H-1B program is being abused by employers. IEEE is suggesting to wrap it up while others are suggesting to keep the program but fix it, by providing the flexibility based on the current market needs and enforcing tough monitoring on the employers.
I must agree that the document is a perfect representation of how the H-1B program is being abused, which is unfortunate!
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pune_guy
05-28 07:16 PM
Hi
I am trying to donate $50 but every time I go through the "Donate" link it takes me to paypal site, where it says that the transaction could not be completed.
Did anybody else saw this problem?
Can I simply send the money to donations@immigrationvoice.org? The last time I contributed using paypal this was the email address that the money was sent to, the business member id was 878.
I am trying to donate $50 but every time I go through the "Donate" link it takes me to paypal site, where it says that the transaction could not be completed.
Did anybody else saw this problem?
Can I simply send the money to donations@immigrationvoice.org? The last time I contributed using paypal this was the email address that the money was sent to, the business member id was 878.
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go_guy123
08-08 10:40 PM
Go_guy when did you come to US, When did you go to Canada (Toronto).Which job are you doing now in Toronto?
I first came in 1999 Fall as MS student. Then in between, I went back to India during the 2002 downturn and then came back in 2005. I did my MBA finance at U of T and now
working as Analyst since my second year ( due to F1 visa restrictions I couldn't have
done that in US). After graduation I am working there but looking for better options as well.
I came as PR in Canada. But i look at the international students from India in U of T. They are far better of than the international students in US. Here they get 3 years work permit
after graduation and can also work part time while studying. With new rules u get PR quickly after 1st year. Also during the 3 year post degree now they are eligible for the government health care like PR/Citizens. Canadian immigration is now highly tailored toward people
studying/working in Canada.
Compared to that, US treats its international students like dogs. If I get the opportunity to relive, one thing that I would not have taken was doing my previous MS in US. Moving to Canada was the smartest decision taken...no regrets.
I first came in 1999 Fall as MS student. Then in between, I went back to India during the 2002 downturn and then came back in 2005. I did my MBA finance at U of T and now
working as Analyst since my second year ( due to F1 visa restrictions I couldn't have
done that in US). After graduation I am working there but looking for better options as well.
I came as PR in Canada. But i look at the international students from India in U of T. They are far better of than the international students in US. Here they get 3 years work permit
after graduation and can also work part time while studying. With new rules u get PR quickly after 1st year. Also during the 3 year post degree now they are eligible for the government health care like PR/Citizens. Canadian immigration is now highly tailored toward people
studying/working in Canada.
Compared to that, US treats its international students like dogs. If I get the opportunity to relive, one thing that I would not have taken was doing my previous MS in US. Moving to Canada was the smartest decision taken...no regrets.
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chmur
11-17 12:20 PM
Swami : appreciate your effort ...but your post is , i am afraid , illogical.
"Once again, dont expect people to be courteous and receptive to courtesy overnight."
Why ?? because IV is busy fixing this mess for you??. I appreciate and value all that IV is doing but, 'Courtsey' is a basic expectation. IV, I am afraid, will NEVER earn the right to say " dont expect people to be courteous and receptive ". no successful entity will ever EARN that, leave alone a grassroots support seeking movement.
I assume you are not speaking for IV core and move on, we all have tasks to do .
good luck
"Once again, dont expect people to be courteous and receptive to courtesy overnight."
Why ?? because IV is busy fixing this mess for you??. I appreciate and value all that IV is doing but, 'Courtsey' is a basic expectation. IV, I am afraid, will NEVER earn the right to say " dont expect people to be courteous and receptive ". no successful entity will ever EARN that, leave alone a grassroots support seeking movement.
I assume you are not speaking for IV core and move on, we all have tasks to do .
good luck
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xyzgc
07-21 10:08 PM
Well, I've got a few reasons.
1. I don't like the attitude that comes along with the people that speak it.
2. I just don't like the language.
3. I don't live anywhere close to a place where I must know Hindi to survive.
4. The Indian Constitution recognises English as a subsidiary official language.
5. If I have survived as long as I have without knowing Hindi, I'm sure I can survive without knowing Hindi for the rest of my life.
Thaai mannae vanakkam!
This comment is not the about the language you speak - its about the grudge (#1) you carry with you. Rest of it is all ok.
Its sad to see even the newer generations following the footsteps of their parents.
1. I don't like the attitude that comes along with the people that speak it.
2. I just don't like the language.
3. I don't live anywhere close to a place where I must know Hindi to survive.
4. The Indian Constitution recognises English as a subsidiary official language.
5. If I have survived as long as I have without knowing Hindi, I'm sure I can survive without knowing Hindi for the rest of my life.
Thaai mannae vanakkam!
This comment is not the about the language you speak - its about the grudge (#1) you carry with you. Rest of it is all ok.
Its sad to see even the newer generations following the footsteps of their parents.
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anj00
06-04 07:45 AM
The U.S. Department of Labor today announced that it has begun auditing all permanent labor certification applications filed by attorneys at Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy LLP. The department has information indicating that in at least some cases the firm improperly instructed clients who filed permanent labor certification applications to contact their attorney before hiring apparently qualified U.S. workers. The audits will determine which, if any, applications should be denied or placed into department-supervised recruitment because of improper attorney involvement in the consideration of U.S. worker applicants.
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/eta20080752.htm
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/eta20080752.htm
hopefulgc
03-14 04:10 PM
Know of a few cases from immigration.com where a bunch of envelope PERM filed were pulled in for audit when they saw that a similar case had been filed for lower category in the past. The cases subject to audit were asked to follow through and actually interview the applicants. Losing the job is a real possibility. Think u might still be able to find a few of these if you searchthere.
That said everything is risky in life.. u don't succeed unless u take risks.
Question : Why is PERM risky ? I thought that is the only way to get LC now.
I am thinking of porting to EB2 (10 years + MBA) in US.
That said everything is risky in life.. u don't succeed unless u take risks.
Question : Why is PERM risky ? I thought that is the only way to get LC now.
I am thinking of porting to EB2 (10 years + MBA) in US.
cooldude0807
06-24 01:06 PM
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